looking at this whole thread starting with lifeisstillgood's comment ("[...] what we want from government (and yes Americans, that means healthcare)") at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8214708 it would appear that you are the one trying to change the subject from affordable health care to "obamacare".
toomuchtodo said "The majority of Americans have spoken, and want affordable healthcare.", at which point you started talking about "Obamacare".
btw your attempt to incite a quarrel is funny since your statements agree with lifeisstillgood's and toomuchtodo's statements.
> He's the one that's trying to equate it with some magical, mythical "affordable healthcare" system that does not exist in real life.
Let's not lie now, shall we?
"The U.S. stands almost entirely alone among developed nations that lack universal health care."
"That brings us to another way that America is a big outlier on health care. The grey countries on this map tend to spend significantly less per capita on health care than do the green countries -- except for the U.S., where the government spends way more on health care per person than do most countries with free, universal health care. This is also true of health care costs as a share of national GDP -- in other words, how much of a country's money goes into health care."
Not only do we spend the most per capita on healthcare, we consistently deliver lower quality care than other first world countries with universal healthcare spending less than us.
I really don't care to argue with you. Obamacare/ACA is well on its way to pushing the US to universal healthcare, as it should.
Everyone is in favor of "affordable healthcare" for the same reason that everyone is in favor of good weather and world peace.
You are attempting to make "affordable healthcare" synonymous with Obamacare, which it isn't, and suggest that anyone who thinks that Obamacare is a horrible implementation must be opposed to "affordable healthcare".
It is the exact same dishonest argument that's used to shout down someone who (e.g.) thinks that the Patriot Act was a bad idea by implying that the person is in favor of terrorism.
I posted a link that showed that majority of Americans are opposed to Obamacare and always have been (multiple polls).
It got modded down. Which, of course, is even more dishonest.
But, you know, modding people down isn't actually going to make the problem go away.
>Not only do we spend the most per capita on healthcare, we consistently deliver lower quality care than other first world countries with universal healthcare spending less than us.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with whether Obamacare is the best solution for the problem. It isn't. It combines the worst aspects of private health insurance with the worst aspects of socialized medicine, combined with massive payouts to insurance companies at taxpayer expense.
>Obamacare/ACA is well on its way to pushing the US to universal healthcare, as it should.
Obamacare is going to kill real healthcare reform in the U.S. for at least a generation. Maybe longer.
toomuchtodo said "The majority of Americans have spoken, and want affordable healthcare.", at which point you started talking about "Obamacare".
btw your attempt to incite a quarrel is funny since your statements agree with lifeisstillgood's and toomuchtodo's statements.