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> Also, to your last paragraph, it does not show the other people are ideologues. It just show they see you want to win verbal game rather then engage in serious debate into the topic. People are not interested in it, because why would they?

In fairness, there are more interpretations beyond wanting to win.

Trying to make the point general: that filter ("do you have an evidence standard?") does identify some people who will change their minds, but will rule out others who are also willing to change their minds.

Probably quite a lot of someones if my theory is correct. People can be quite flexible towards someone who is respectful and wants to help them get better outcomes. I've had a instances where I turn out to have convinced someone 24 hours after the fact - and vice-versa.



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