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There are gradients to everything. Where in the US we have a free press to document human rights violations and people can voice their opinion, China has none. The problem with statements like yours is that it completely trivializes the major violations of one country and the progress that has been made in improving human rights of the other.


Not sure why you’re being downvoted. What you said is factually correct.

Like 3000+ anti Trump stories on NYTimes. Try that in China?


That's fair, on the other hand, is China semiregularly bombing hospitals in the Middle East? You can cherry-pick certain facts to suit you either way.

As for "free press", the U.S. has the appearance of free press that is shockingly uniform on issues of war for example, controlled by very few entities in total.


Hard to tell without a free press


Hard to tell with a free press, since people just find the news they want to hear anyways.

I guess our situation with getting news from Facebook is voluntary censorship. Maybe that’s better than forced censorship?

What if the controller of news is benevolent?

I think the situation is that the Chinese government is mostly benevolent to its own citizens, which is why it has fairly good political support domestically. They are however not benevolent to the US interests, which is why we want to stop them. One benefit of a free press is that we’d be able to introduce our own propaganda into the country to push agendas that benefit ourselves.


So silencing the original Covid-19 whistleblower allowing the virus to devastate Wuhan and propagate to the rest of the world is better than free press? How is that benevolent?


Our free press didn't do much to help prevent the spread of the virus here either... It looks like it's also going to turn out much worse.


Huh? Have you looked at American press? The history is filled with literally thousands of articles condemning the government in every aspect of its operations.

Including the NPR which comes out with stuff like this: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr...

American press is brutal, you like it or not. If US is bombing hospitals in the middle east, there are news papers writing about it. Btw, would like to get the source on this from you while you google your away into another example of American freedom of press.

Incredible how American image on the world has tarnished and people go in with a swoop of imaginations, away from hard truth and facts.

I am not even American.


Yeah, I have seen that exact American press.

The NPR story is about a coup that happened in the 50s, so not much you can do about ti today. They're not saying "don't escalate with Iran today, we did a lot to wrong them too". They didn't say don't go to Iraq or Vietnam pre-invasion.

Even in China you can say that Mao did this and this wrong, because guess what? He's dead and that's no longer relevant.

A good press opposes things when there's something that could still be done about it.

As for their criticisms of Trump, it's more about decorum and his lack of polish/civility rather than some hard-core policy disagreements from what I've seen.


It's a different country :) And it has different level tolerance in the freedom.

Try making any speech about a race in the US despite it's correct? US has no such freedom or tolerance right?

True that there are lots anti-Trump material out on the internet, but that's the US culture. The media is a tool for winning an election. One cannot force the other world to adopt the same system US has, right?


What is your argument? The point is that in one country you get the truth and in the other you don't. It doesn't take a genius to understand which is better.

> One cannot force the other world to adopt the same system US has, right?

Yes, you're right, China should stop forcing Tibet, Uyghurs, and Hong Kong to adopt their system.


> What is your argument? The point is that in one country you get the truth

Like that Iraq had WMDs?


China should stop forcing Tibet, Uyghurs, and Hong Kong to adopt their system

> wrong, they are not countries. And China didn’t force them to adapt to Chinese Cultural. Their cultural inheritance is widely seen in the region.


In the grand scheme of things, whether they are "countries" is not the issue right? They are places that had their own distinct cultures and way of life and China invaded and forced their way of life upon them. By the way, Tibet was an independent state prior to forced occupation.

> And China didn’t force them to adapt to Chinese Cultural

This is factually incorrect. There is definitive evidence of destroying cultural and religious artifacts of these groups, desecrating their ancestral graves, banning speaking of their native tongue, among other things. In order to have a fair discussion on this, the facts must be straight. These are all things that have plenty of photo, video, documented, and testimonial evidence via primary sources. Unfortunately, you would never see this evidence presented through Chinese media or textbooks. In fact, you would see the opposite as China propaganda portrays these people as having wanted to be a part of China.




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