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AFAIK as a Chinese, the 1938 incident is known to many since it was said to be Jiang's decision. As of Changchun, I saw that topic a few times in some forums 10+ years ago.

The things people want to know change over time as well. Now, China is feeling its power and strength like a growing teenager (not very accurate, but you get what I mean), so the glory of the past, now and future is what people want to know. Zhanlang 2 (War Wolf 2)'s phenomenal financial success (close to 1bn usd box office maybe?) is a recent strong signal.



> "growing teenager"

This is an incrediable naive and patronizing phrase to describe China's accumulation of power.

As a matter of fact, China's ascending is the most peaceful and constrained among all past super powers in the world history.


Peaceful and constrained to whom?

I guess a better question, so that I can understand, is when are you considering their ascension to have begun?

Also, the person you responded to is Chinese. I suppose they can be patronizing if they want? In fact, I can't think of a person more able to be justifiably patronizing. I find criticism from within to be better than criticism from abroad, generally speaking.

But, mostly I just am curious about what point in time you're using as the start of China's ascension. If it is 1990, I'm inclined to agree. If it is 1945, I am skeptical.


> As a matter of fact, China's ascending is the most peaceful and constrained among all past super powers in the world history.

Alternative facts, maybe. Just look up the South China Sea, Doklam, constant agitation with India and Japan to see how peaceful China's rise is.


Well, China has solid legal ground to claim that she owns those areas. Peaceful rise does not translate to blindly avoiding conflicts.


China does not have solid legal founds for their claims, they do have a bunch of anecdotes though (e.g. The nationalists got a small USN boat to take them to visit them, so they think this means the USA must have approved of their claim).


>magically appearing artificial islands

>solid legal ground

one of those things has to be false.


I specifically mentioned that analogy was not accurate. I have to add that it's the kind of feeling that directly reflects teenager's physical growth, taller, quicker, faster, stronger, etc. Perhaps my original analogy led you to relate to the emotional side more. Especially in western societies, that can turn to more physical impact. Teenagers in China actually have that kind of things as well, but there is simply less room for them.

Another thing is, in a world with several nuclear weapon equipped states, can two such nations simply confront with each other? Look around east Asia, you have to play very carefully.

So I guess there should have been more context to put in to have a better idea of what I was trying to deliver. If some big and vague words can explain, yeah, it's cultural difference, too.


> As a matter of fact, China's ascending is the most peaceful and constrained among all past super powers in the world history

The late forties granted the United States a global nuclear, and near industrial, monopoly. We didn’t exploit it.


China has 5000 years of ascending to superpower status, not all of it very peaceful. If you mean China hasn't invaded another country since 1979, well, sure, I'll give you that.


Yes, I think this post pretty much frame the discussion after the "open and reform" era.


So the era just before that when they were not doing very well and we're engaged in non peaceful activities doesn't count. Got it.


I am not sure what you want to say.

This post is about Xi, which took office in 2012. And the aspects initiates my post is about China's recent movement to more openly show off its power.

What's the point of "when they were not doing very well" in this context?

> we're engaged in non peaceful activities

What does this refer to?


I mean, you count China's rise as coinciding with the time just after they were being hostile to their neighbors. A rosy filter to be sure.


I said China's rise is the most peaceful among all super powers in history, I did not say that China's rise will be that it is nice to neighbors.

I also did not count any timing. I just said it's the most peaceful.

Realistically, a super power by definition means it wields more power than others, that definitely means unfriendly behavior to others, especially the neighbors. That's why China uses the word "the Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation", that's both a correct and accurate slogan, and a non-aggressive way of rosy filtering what gonna happen.


Chest beating is a thing in the USA also, some of our block buster movies can be like that.




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