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> Besides driver problems

As long as you stay away from perpetually-beta distributions that I shall not name, driver problems are really a non-issue. I haven't had a malfunctioning peripheral under Linux in a very long time now (years?). Driver problems are on-par with what you see on Windows :-).

> missing support for newer OpenGL standards

This has been a common complaint about OS X for a long time, and no one thought desktop on it didn't work.

> fragmentation of desktop environments

As long as the desktop respects ICCCM (hint: they all tend to do) and you don't write your application using some obscure, non-ICCCM compliant toolkit, this tends to be a non-issue.

> it doesn't even have GUI isolation (meaning that any X11 application can sniff your keyboard input):

This is true. However, the expectation is that you'll usually run open source software from trusted sources (and you can run untrusted applications in an Xnest session). Methods aside, it's just as easy for a malicious user to keylog you on Windows or OS X, the Linux keylogger is just more trivial to write.



> As long as you stay away from perpetually-beta distributions that I shall not name, driver problems are really a non-issue.

One of the first thing every Linux user needs to know is that he should only use hardware which is listed in the HCL (Hardware Compatiblity list).

http://www.linuxhardware.net

If you want to have ready-to-run Linux then take a careful look at http://linuxgizmos.com.


I don't think it's even true that keyloggers are any harder to write on say Windows. The only thing they can't trivially get hold of is your password for the machine itself. (Of course, if you write a naive keylogger you're going to get caught by any AV software worth its salt.)


I don't think it's even true that keyloggers are any harder to write on say Windows.

This is false. Windows has a mechanism since Vista (UIPI) that provide some UI isolation (lower privilege processes can e.g. not listen to keystrokes on higher privilege processes):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Interface_Privilege_Isola...

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb625963.aspx

E.g. web browsers normally run at the 'low' integrity level and cannot eavesdrop on other processes (which are normally at the 'medium' level). It would be nice if someone with knowledge Windows internals could explain UIPI a bit more, I gathered this knowledge a while ago due to being interested in the topic :).

Of course, if users just accept anything at UAC prompts, everything is lost ;).


As long as you stay away from perpetually-beta distributions that I shall not name, driver problems are really a non-issue. I haven't had a malfunctioning peripheral under Linux in a very long time now (years?). Driver problems are on-par with what you see on Windows :-).

I recently installed a workstation for using CUDA, with X11, using nVidia's off-the-shelf packages (the Ubuntu CUDA packages have some compatibility problems).

- On Ubuntu everything worked fine first (LTS, 14.04), after some upgrade, X11 did not come up anymore. Some problem with DKMS. While debugging, it doesn't help that Canonical has made disabling the display manager completely non-sensical. Something akin to

  update-rc.d -f lightdm remove
does not work anymore. IIRC I had to pass a parameter on the Linux command-line through GRUB (really?). Of course, this was not documented in any logical place like a manpage.

- On CentOS installing the CUDA package simply gives a blank screen and you cannot switch to TTYs anymore. You still have to manually disable nouveau, etc:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140808222919-219659043-rhel...

https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/842496/nvidia-drive...

Of course, this is just an anecdote. But my experience while still reading Linux forums and helping other people, it's often still work to get and keep hardware running.

I don't have much experience with Windows. But on the few HP/Dell workstations that I have set up, Windows generally worked out of the box.

As long as the desktop respects ICCCM (hint: they all tend to do) and you don't write your application using some obscure, non-ICCCM compliant toolkit, this tends to be a non-issue.

There is much more to a desktop than just being able to display windows rendered by a random toolkit, such as: consistent keyboard shortcuts, consistent look an feel, etc. Every time that I tried to switch back to Linux, the lack of consistent keyboard shortcuts drives me crazy (though they are typically somewhat consistent within the applications provided by KDE, GNOME, etc.).

it's just as easy for a malicious user to keylog you on Windows or OS X

OS X uses GUI isolation, only applications that a user has explicitly enabled in the accessibility options can listen in on keyboard events or send events. Moreover, app store applications use sandboxing by default and can't see files outside the sandbox. So, this is false.




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